[Phaedrus]

You are close-minded because you insist on categorizing and prejudging people. You seem to specialize in straw man arguments. The funny thing is that I can use your reference to Mitchell to prove the point I was making - a point you and other posters repeatedly fail to grasp.

However, I won't pursue the point until you climb down off your high horse and answer the question.

[WilDeA]

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:...This small warming is likely the result...

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"It is not possible to exclude that the observed phenomena may have natural causes. It may be that man has little or nothing to do with it"

Oh, I like that kind of reasoning!

Could it also mean that man could have something to do with it?

In some ways it's like the comment by the medical examiner who said,

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"The deceased appeared to have been in perfect health up till the time of her demise, so the cause of her death is likely to have been the result of a bullet wound to her head..."

[ElephantInTheRoom]

As I earlier stated. Phaedrus and WildeA would continue to contradict me no matter what I present. There is more. WildeA wrote the following:

"I didn't get that impression from the IPCC Expert Meeting on the Science of Alternative Metrics, held at The Grand Hotel, Oslo, Norway during 18-20 March 2009.

Do you need a copy of the Meeting Report?"
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Read the quote from this next scientist I mention. This scientist is a member of the very IPCC that WildeA mentions above. Read on:

John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports:

"I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see. Rather, I see a reliance on climate models (useful but never "proof") and the coincidence that changes in carbon dioxide and global temperatures have loose similarity over time."
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Now Folks I can promise you! If you don't believe me yet, you will now know for sure. Even after this post. I can bet you that Phaedrus and WildeA will still contradict me and insist that man made global warming is a "consensus". You will discover with Liberals, once their mind is made up, it will never change. No matter what is presented to them. Even if you drop a house on them, they will not wake up from the cool aid they drank.

[Phaedrus]

I have already stated in response to another of your posts that I have no problem with people disagreeing and wanting more information when it is an honest position. I have also stated in other posts that I am open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena. My position is that very few scientists say that global warming is a hoax, but many do question the cause. That is my position and I have stated it before.

The problem with you is that you don't seem to recognize the difference. One minute you are claiming hoax and the next you are saying that warming is natural. You don't make any sense.

You wrongly state my position because, in fact, you know nothing about me or my positions. That is because you specialize in straw man arguments. You like to argue with a fiction, rather than with a person. Like those Republican leaders who are now afraid to meet with Obama, you are another Republican coward who cannot answer a simple question for fear that you will lose the argument because you are uncertain of your position. Do you really think you are fooling anyone?

[WilDeA]

EITR: This is your source of argument, not mine.

Please read the words colored blue and enlarged. I read that to say that the majority disagree with the author. They do not agree that man has no influence on global warming.

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John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports:

"I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see. Rather, I see a reliance on climate models (useful but never "proof") and the coincidence that changes in carbon dioxide and global temperatures have loose similarity over time."

I hope you believe your own source.

[ElephantInTheRoom]

Phaedrus wrote:

".....I have also stated in other posts that I am open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena."
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This is flat out dishonest, because it is not entirely true. This most certainly is not the sentiment you hold, and it's not the one you have expressed in the past. For example, in another thread I started titled, "So Much For Global Warming", you posted the following statement January 17, 2010 at 8:54am

2. There is no evidence that global warming is happening because of natural changes.
3. There is evidence that it is related to human activity

These are not the words of an individual who is "open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena."


Now for a quote from yet another scientist:

William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology:

"There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."
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Now for anybody reading this. I know even this latest post will do no good. I will still be contradicted, and there will still be an insistance that there is an overwhelming consensus world wide among scientists that global warming is man made. Remember this when you debate the Liberal Left. You may feel you are tearing your hair out. Don't worry. It's to be expected. It won't matter how much you show them. It won't matter how well you present it. When their mind is made up, their mind is made up. Then they will have the nerve to call YOU close minded!

True Conservatives can win all arguments because we are armed with truth, facts, and principles. Liberalism is nothing more than smoke, mirrors, and lies. You will discover, Conservatism and Liberalism are not only political terms. They are LIFESTYLES! There are both Conservatives and Liberals who have no interest in politics. Liberalism simply doesn't work! Whether it be in politics, or the life you live.

[WilDeA]

EITR,

First I'm surprised that you weren't able to effectively respond to my taking you to task for getting caught on your own petard.

Quoting Phaedrus:

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".....I have also stated in other posts that I am open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena."
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This is flat out dishonest, because it is not entirely true. This most certainly is not the sentiment you hold, and it's not the one you have expressed in the past.

1. You make an allegation.
2. You qualify that allegation.
3. You attribute motivation without basis.
4. You argue invalidity because the position wasn't previously stated.

A. The Strawman allegory seems valid.
B. You float like a butterfly and you sure don't sting.

Let me see what you've written on your hand so I can respond to your next big objection to the generally accepted concern about global warming.

It says..."Lower Taxes. No Health Care Reform. Lower Taxes will reduce air polution. Repeat...Re-repeat often to make true!...say louder..."

[ElephantInTheRoom]

WilDeA wrote:

"Let me see what you've written on your hand so I can respond to your next big objection to the generally accepted concern about global warming."
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For those of you who may not know; here is where WilDeA is trying to be cute and reference a speech by Sarah Palin. Mrs. Palin innocently made notes to herself by writing them on her hand The Left thought this was just a hoot, and they just won't quit about it. Well, there is a reason the Left keeps going on about it. It's to distract everyone away from a HUGE gaffe made by President Obama during a speech he made recently.

The Left will tear into Mrs. Palin for writing notes on her hand, but will never say a word about President Obama who will not make a speech without a tele prompter. He takes it with him everywhere he goes. Some wonder if the tele prompter is talking to him, and the tele prompter is what is really running our country

Now for a good laugh, watch the following video. We were told one of the reasons we should elect candidate Obama was for his superior education at Harvard. However, he didn't seem to learn how to pronounce words properly off the tele prompter. Watch how he pronounces "Navy Corpsman" as "corpse-man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0

Finally, I will leave you with another quote from another scientist on global warming:

Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:

"There's increasingly strong evidence that previous research conclusions, including those of the United Nations and the United States government concerning 20th century warming, may have been biased by underestimation of natural climate variations. The bottom line is that if these variations are indeed proven true, then, yes, natural climate fluctuations could be a dominant factor in the recent warming. In other words, natural factors could be more important than previously assumed."

[WilDeA]

Your a silly man EITR.

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For those of you who may not know; here is where WilDeA is trying to be cute and reference a speech by Sarah Palin. Mrs. Palin innocently made notes to herself by writing them on her hand The Left thought this was just a hoot, and they just won't quit about it.

In your half the story manner you neglected to say it was while she was putting down Obama for sometimes using a teleprompter and she had crossouts in the wwritinbg on her hand.

Both my wife and I have erroneously mispronounced the word "corp" when used in conjunction with the word "Marine" and "man". As I stated on another segment, her great grandfather was a medical corpsman during the Spanish American War, and she performed that "Medic" duty in part of her 28 years in the U.S. Army until 3 years ago.

If you haven't noticed, or may have wondered, it is pronounced corp when it follows the name of a business that includes the fact of their incorporation into their name, such as in U.S. Bancorp and American Financial Corp.

It is the most common of mistakes of pronunciation in the U.S.A. My wife and I have 16 years of post high school education between us and have frequently been corrected.

While you are poking fun at a minor Obama verbal error, and it is a cheap shot when such a an error is so infrequent, don't forget to look at your motivation for doing that. There are things more important in a person's character.

I really do believe that if the Christian Man Barack Hussein Obama were crucified on a cross, you'd rush out to tell the world that he's not bleeding enough. Unfortunately, in this searing political climate, you are not alone.

But you do have reason to give thanks in your daily prayers. Fortunately the greater wisdom of the American voter did not elect a McCain-Palin ticket. That should be very evident these days.

And McCain was one of my favorite guys until September of last year.

Instead of all this silly political doo, I would think that while we have our kids getting killed halfway around the world and we have severe financial problems we should have one goal. That goal is how to extricate ourselves from our financial and security mess and get our country back on an even keel.

[Phaedrus]

ElephantInTheRoom wrote:

Phaedrus wrote:

".....I have also stated in other posts that I am open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena."
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This is flat out dishonest, because it is not entirely true. This most certainly is not the sentiment you hold, and it's not the one you have expressed in the past. For example, in another thread I started titled, "So Much For Global Warming", you posted the following statement January 17, 2010 at 8:54am

2. There is no evidence that global warming is happening because of natural changes.
3. There is evidence that it is related to human activity

These are not the words of an individual who is "open to the possibility that global warming is a natural phenomena."


Now for a quote from yet another scientist:

William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology:

"There has been a real climate change over the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries that can be attributed to natural phenomena. Natural variability of the climate system has been underestimated by IPCC and has, to now, dominated human influences."
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Now for anybody reading this. I know even this latest post will do no good. I will still be contradicted, and there will still be an insistance that there is an overwhelming consensus world wide among scientists that global warming is man made. Remember this when you debate the Liberal Left. You may feel you are tearing your hair out. Don't worry. It's to be expected. It won't matter how much you show them. It won't matter how well you present it. When their mind is made up, their mind is made up. Then they will have the nerve to call YOU close minded!

True Conservatives can win all arguments because we are armed with truth, facts, and principles. Liberalism is nothing more than smoke, mirrors, and lies. You will discover, Conservatism and Liberalism are not only political terms. They are LIFESTYLES! There are both Conservatives and Liberals who have no interest in politics. Liberalism simply doesn't work! Whether it be in politics, or the life you live.

I am open to the possibility, but I have seen no evidence of natural causes. Don't just show me quotes. Show me evidence. All I have read is people who suppose a natural cause in the absence of a proven man-made cause.

Nice to know we both agree that global warming is occuring though.